Peter Joseph – Arriving at a Resource Based Economy | London Z Day 2011
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Peter Joseph – Arriving at a Resource Based Economy | London Z Day 2011, March 13th. Thanks to Jason Gleeson
@Freexthinkerx Furthermore, you came to the conclusion that how you were acting was not how YOU wanted to act, and made a movement to change that. This is the goal of Peter Joseph on a global scale, he is not trying to inhibit this.
@Freexthinkerx He doesn’t state nor imply that conscious will does not exist. What I have inferred from his videos is that we are pre programmed a certain way within our genetics and environmental factors and experiences act as catalysts to trigger our predisposition to act a certain way or develop a disease. The society is the catalyst for many people today that triggers symptoms such as depression, suicide, and violent behaviors. There is no human nature there is only human behavior.
The fear of reeducation..
The best thing that could happen, the thing the human species needs the most right now is a good reeducation.
@Freexthinkerx It dosen’t?
wow I just realised who peter looks like “halfwit” from big brother
Great talk, I wonder what Christopher Hitchens would make of this
how anyone can join a movement based on the fallacies of the first zeitgeist movie: the inacurate history of christianity, “9-11 is an inside job” conspiracy and the worldwide banking conspiracy . I am interested in ressource based economy but it should be talked by trustworty interlocuters. There are other movements out there for you to join.
@a1pwn That is sad to hear that, some mountains are harder to move than others. All I can offer you is one statement among many that I use when religion is involved. “Can I ask you one question? Would Judas have betrayed Jesus if there was nothing to gain?” Never give up, even mountains can be cut down, as long as the river stays strong.
@TheCrumbSnatcha: I never said feelings were magical, or that relationships weren’t a process. I simply stated that our understanding of those processes are wrong and we shouldn’t support determinism. I can message you the study if you want, apparently youtube won’t let me put it in the comments.
@sons3e I don’t know what sheltered and privileged country you live in, but the world is already on it’s way to chaos and war. The war of classes within many countries is imminent, and at the same time the war of the super powers is on it’s way, what with America getting weaker and feeling threatened they are bound to strike again before total collapse.
Maybe it’s a miracle, miracles are great, they can explain everything, but i can’t disagree with one word Peter says…
@TheCrumbSnatcha So far in our life Peter Joseph is irrelevent. And he will be, because he doesn’t understand what he (and you) is talking about. To make things work like he (or you) wants he will need to put the whole world in terror and civil war for a long time. No one would give him that chance.
“Collectivism” works. Of course. That was a part of what made Soviet Union an industrial global power.
What he is talking about is communism. But as you see, it simply doesn’t work because most of the world is in capitalism. He says “the most efficient way”. Well, what if someone has another view on “effieciency”, i.e. “who will decide?
exciting time to be alive. in the 80s…a mere 2 decades ago…NO ONE was talking about this stuff. no one. at all. now…the world is full of these ideas. so amazing…
(pt.2) …concious effort to change it. The idea that we aren’t in control of our own actions and emotions is just silly. Besides, studies show a belief in determinism correlates with a propensity for dishonest behaviour.
The social system being advocated absolutely requires a moral people, but it’s over arching beliefs are provably damaging to that morality. Maybe science can tell us how to make stuff but morality tells us how to make relationships.
PJ speaks as though the concept of concious will doesn’t exist, and that is just as much as myth as the notion of “free” will outside of any circumstances. When I was being born my mother went through serious stress and has her whole life, and yet I don’t have an addictive personality or any signs of violent behaviour. I did as a child, however, and my enviornment did nothing but reinforce thouse propensities. However, I came to the realization that what I was doing was wrong and created the…
@a1pwn Dont worry.. If parents didnt have to leave at 8am and come home at 6pm from pointless jobs maybe they would pass on valuable skills rather than just sending them to institutions that teach them only competitive motivations.
@DJKAYZEE
For over 3.5 billion years natural selection has compelled all living things to be competitive. In early times, humans and their ancestors were always strifing for more food, more sex and more respect from their group. Natural selection favoured those who strife the hardest. This is where our nature comes from. In time, our society grew around this principal. You can’t change a 3.5 billion year old habit with maybe a few hundred years of conditioning to a less competitive environment.
@DJKAYZEE
It is certainly not against evolution and here’s why. In early times the harsh nature of our world compelled us to be a competitive creature. Always strifing for more food, more sex and more respect by the rest of our group. Natural selection favoured those who met this criterium. Now we live in a society that is formed around this habit. You CAN change man’s moral judgement by education. But you can NOT change his competitive nature.
@Averageyuutubemoron
ok sorry for insulting you, and thank you for being mature and intelligent enough to show me i was wrong for insulting you, sorry again. The problem is youre overemphasizing the magic of capitalism, and 2. you’re making the fallacy of assuming the human condition is fixed, (we are nothing but beasts, so theres nothing we can do about it, were stuck), which is totally against evolution if you think about it, because evolution happens based on change,
@DJKAYZEE
Firstly, is it really neccesary to insult me just for disagreeing with you? I think not.
Secondly, what i’m trying to make clear is that a hundred or two hundred years ago, the vast majority of the western world was living in the exact same poverty and misery. Until capitalism brought forth the industrial age by which our standard of living improved dramatically. And ofcourse, there are still people living in poverty, but in time this will improve aswell. Look at South Korea.
@Gyohdon
PJ and JF are not on thebest of terms. Did you not see the argument where PJ was F-ing and Blinding at that greedy woman who wants to cash in on VP when JF dies?
@believerornot There is a big chance that if we keep ignoring our fellow humans like that, we won’t be able to tend to ourselves anymore.
PJ and JF haven’t stopped communicating, btw. TZM and TVP parted because they realized their means were different. TZM has become a structure of it’s own, it’s no longer the “Activist Arm” for TVP.
@Gyohdon
I’d rather focus on feeding my own children rather than the children of some person in a long distant time. ANd I’m convince a RBE has no hope anyway.Even PJ and JF have stopped communicating which pretty much sums up how much hope there is. My kids need food now. living in the third world is no picnic, every moment is precious.